Ab-Soul’s shut buddy, collaborator and yin to his yang Armon “Doe Burger” Stringer handed away in 2021, and Soulo’s carrying the tastemaker’s spirit with him to at the present time. The 37-year-old devoted his sixth studio album to Stringer as Soul Burger — the fusion of Ab-Soul and Doe — hit streaming providers on Friday (Nov. 9).
It’s almost 2:00 pm within the afternoon on the West Coast, and Ab-Soul hasn’t been to sleep but when he hops on a cellphone name with Billboard. “I’ve been the illest lyricist and the dopest MC, which I pleasure myself on, however what can I do now to the touch extra individuals and take it additional?” the Prime Dawg Leisure rapper rhetorically asks.
Soulo has proved himself 10 instances over as one of many elite wordsmiths and deadly pens in rap over the course of the final decade-plus, however his mission is completely different with serving up Soul Burger.
“That is to get the gang leaping and focus extra on the sensation versus being so cerebral,” he says, earlier than quoting Quincy Jones days earlier than the legendary producer’s loss of life. “I believe Quincy Jones mentioned, ‘You gotta go away just a little house for God to step in.’ I been getting in beating my head towards the wall developing with the dopest metaphor versus expressing myself.”
The Underground Emperor solicited recommendation from a spread of individuals and challenged himself within the studio, whereas assembling a flexible forged of company as Ty Dolla $ign, Doechii, Vince Staples, Blxst, J.I.D., Lupe Fiasco and extra joined him on the LP, which begins cinematically just like the opening scene to Stomach.
There are particular moments in a profession that followers want could possibly be bottled as much as final eternally. Soulo loved a kind of in June when he joined his ex-TDE brother Kendrick Lamar on stage on the Pop Out live performance the place they rapped “6:16 in L.A.” collectively. “For him to tug me on stage and kick it to me made me really feel like he was checking with me to see if he nonetheless obtained it. Like he was on the lookout for my approval,” he displays. “That’s our relationship.”
Discover lots extra beneath with Ab-Soul detailing how his first Billboard Sizzling 100 hit “Pi” obtained into J. Cole’s arms along with him explaining his viral Drake “redemption” tweet and dwelling as a rapper with Stevens-Johnson Syndrome.
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Justin James Agoncillo
I heard you say it is a Soul Burger venture slightly than an “Ab-Soul venture.” Might you clarify the distinction between while you got here into this creatively and what you have been going for with that?
In essence, it’s an ode to my brother Doe Burger. For those who’re aware of me, you ought to be aware of him, therefore the title Soul Burger. It ought to function the fusion of me and him collectively. We have been yin and yang in plenty of methods. I simply actually needed to channel him the perfect I might to maintain him with me. I say this typically, however I don’t know the way I’m doing this with out him. My solely logical clarification is that he should be with me. That is an album I really feel like he needed me to make. He was a real tastemaker. I valued his opinion. An actual artist in his personal proper. I simply actually hope he can be happy with it.
Lengthy dwell Doe Burger. I needed to get into some tracks beginning with the opener “9 Mile.” I felt like I used to be strolling into the opening scene of Stomach.
Actually, I needed it to return in and really feel like Stomach. That’s truly what I been working towards as of late. Simply not attempting to consider it a lot and go along with the sensation. Simply attempt to complement the music greater than focus a lot on what I’m saying. I’m a poet by nature. I wrote one million rhymes one million instances. I been difficult myself to essentially catch a vibe. Complement the music versus what I’m attempting to convey lyrically, metaphors, punchlines and similes. It’s been working for me. I’ve been sincere all through my profession. I shared my testimony. I really feel prefer it’s been extra essential to me for individuals to listen to what I’m saying to really feel the music.
Positively. I do know you have been speaking to DJ Hed about desirous to make some bops out right here because the Underground Emperor. Such as you needed to compete on one other stage to be in that dialog. Element the elevation you’re attempting to make.
Simply difficult myself to take recommendation and collaborate and ask questions. I’ve been the illest lyricist and the dopest MC, which I pleasure myself on, however what can I do now to the touch extra individuals and take it additional? Why not go for all the pieces which you could get on this artwork type? Compete on all ranges. It’s nonetheless attempting my greatest to not compromise the spirit that obtained me right here, however how can I take it additional?
It’s dope to see that humility and that willingness to problem your self over a decade since Management System in 2012.
I’m glad you mentioned that. I can’t beat Management System for nothing. It’s a objective for us to take it additional. I gotta beat Management System. I want any individual to reference one other venture of mine. Management System was a frequency, man. That was a time when it was simply pure starvation. I wasn’t fearful about numbers or enterprise. I simply actually did what I needed to do. I made the artwork I needed to make unapologetically and I’m attempting to get again to that.
You made your Billboard Sizzling 100 debut with J. Cole’s “Pi” earlier this 12 months. I do know the entire backstory with that the way you didn’t know Cole would find yourself getting the file for [Might Delete Later]. Have you ever had any conversations with him since about the way you guys gotta go bar-for-bar quickly and get your lick again?
Daylyt, he’s a part of the group now. He work actual shut with us and Punch specifically. Shout-out to the Room Stuffed with Mirrors. Me and him are shut and we had a sparring session going back-to-back on some lyrical train. It’s referred to as “Pi” as a result of the music ended paradoxically at three minutes 14 seconds. This was executed lengthy earlier than the battle and all of that. He despatched it to Cole and I didn’t know. It was [Daylyt’s] file. I awoke one morning and I had a loopy J. Cole verse in my cellphone. I’m like, “Bro what the? You gotta let me know. This is among the greatest rappers on the planet.”
I had just a little concern with Cole, as a result of he was purported to be on my final album Herbert. Cole’s an actual artist, he in all probability couldn’t simply catch the vibe — and that’s proof, as a result of he was immediately motivated by this one. A real rapper’s rapper. I referred to as him instantly like, “Bro, I want my get-back.” We’re all actual cool. The entire Dreamville camp. He revered that. He was impressed to do a lock-in with the Jedis and he flew us out to [Atlanta]. It was dope, all of us obtained to construct and create. He had that spirit. I informed him straight up, “We gon’ must spar.” In divine timing when the celebrities align.
Rapping “6:16 in L.A.” on the Pop Out with Kendrick, what does that second imply to you while you look again on it?
Not solely is that certainly one of my favourite data from him, interval. Other than the meat, that was such a stupendous file put collectively. He was saying such profound issues. Like my favourite line, “There’s alternative when dwelling with loss/ I uncover myself once I fall brief.” He was speaking to all of us. That was greater than a battle. He had me wanting myself within the mirror. It was bigger than that and that’s what the Pop Out ended up being. He took a battle and used it as a possibility to unify. It was superb. He was kicking that s–t. I’m not enjoying about Dot. I’ve discovered a lot from him and all my brothers. I don’t anticipate nothing from him, and that was an honor and a privilege.
You mentioned “redemption was not off the desk for Drake” and you bought plenty of backlash, so I needed to ask you concerning the months since and the way he’s moved.
I’m truly glad you requested that. I did get plenty of blowback from that. I type of was impulsive with my response. You understand how the web come. For those who learn it correctly, I started with a Dot quote and ended with a Dot quote. It goes again to me saying that was greater than a battle for me. That battle had me wanting myself within the mirror. It felt it was extra than simply about his opponent it was one thing for us all to be taught from. That was clever motion. It obtained private, however that has nothing to do with me.
What I used to be saying was everybody coming to me all my homies asking me how I felt about it. I’m simply listening to all of those opinions and stuff like that and I simply obtained bored with it. I used to be saying, if Drake is one if the highest MCs the place the trade and media put him — these guys are superstars. I tread mild talking on these guys. Dot is my brother and I don’t anticipate nothing much less from him. I’m biased, however he did what he does. However I’m saying if Drake is the MC that I hope he might be, then redemption shouldn’t be off the desk. You realize who the gang is. Dot whooped toes.
I don’t know what all people thought I used to be attempting to do. It was apparent he obtained labored. All we speak about is loss. Dot was within the battle speaking about his losses. Speaking about his shortcomings. I assumed that was stunning. Particularly me, myself as an artist, I put it on the desk. I share my testimony. I share my shortcomings. If Drake is an MC, then rise up and rap. Let’s hold it hip-hop, hold it on wax, hold it clear. I come from that. I used to battle on the street. I battled Daylyt on my album. This what we do. On the finish of the day, I need to make it clear, you realize who the gang is.
There’s no nuance on the web. Folks take issues out of context they usually run with stuff. I’m like, “Man, he’s making an excellent level right here. I want he might clarify this and hold going off it.” It’s an excellent dialog available.
For those who an actual MC, like I really feel he wanna be, rise up. Typically you field with the homies and also you get put in your pockets and also you rise up and combat once more. I don’t know that man. God bless him. He’ll be alright, he a famous person. However the homie whooped toes, I’m not sorry.
How did you hyperlink up with Jhené Aiko? I really like this quote she had, “If I used to be solely a rapper, I’d be Ab-Soul.”
That’s actually my sister from approach again. She was with us within the trenches. She was actually pulling as much as the headquarters again within the day. We obtained plenty of music collectively. She would share me her data and let me test her movement. She will be able to rap too. She’s a lyricist. It’s stunning seeing her ascension. She put plenty of work in. I like to see it. Nicely-deserved. That’s my Pisces sister.
Dwelling with Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, what has been the hardest a part of navigating being an artist? Have you ever had every other artists lean on you or take a look at you as inspiration?
I haven’t run into every other artists, personally, which have had that. I’ve seen an artist that has had it. I imagine it was a feminine artist that may be a Stevens-Johnson Syndrome survivor. After I obtained it, it was very new so I’m certain they obtained a greater grip on it now. It’s only a blessing I’m nonetheless in a position and I don’t let it handicap me. I’m blessed to have sturdy household and mates. Individuals who love me and encourage me to maintain going.
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